tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9215652504344172254.post600777788897675134..comments2024-01-15T09:53:40.089-05:00Comments on Black Aces: Murray Makes a DealJeremy Milkshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09719907099819957578noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9215652504344172254.post-55351119455077322542009-02-23T20:23:00.000-05:002009-02-23T20:23:00.000-05:00anon @4:24To me, Campoli is a 5 or 6 d-man. I thin...anon @4:24<BR/><BR/><I>To me, Campoli is a 5 or 6 d-man. I think that a player like him is easy to acquire on the UFA market for free. The low cap hit for next year is good. But, I'd still rather have the #1 pick.</I><BR/><BR/>I see your point. I think Campoli has the potential to play top 4 minutes and the powerplay. But we view him with different eyes. As for him being easy to acquire on the UFA market, I think you're wrong. First, this hypothetical 5-6 Dman will be older (no 24 year old UFAs), but they're going to be both more expensive and more sought after from other teams. How many teams are in the market for cheap but effective powerplay defensemen?<BR/><BR/><I>As far as Melnyk not being worried about losing a million, you don't know that, and neither do I. But, based on his comments about buying out contracts, he said that he does not want to go down that road because that is real dollars going out the door. That's what led me to think that he might not like the deal.</I><BR/><BR/>True, we don't know what Melnyk thinks about taking on Comrie's salary. But that's different than buying out a contract. That's dollars for literally no work. This isn't a total waste: think of it as an extended tryout to see how he fits into the squad under Clouston. There's already a good chance that he'll resign next year (based on what both he & BM have said/implied), at less than he's making now. It would be more risky to make a pitch to sign him in the off-season, not knowing how he can play with (say) Foligno/Vermette & Fisher. A two year deal at 3.5/m per season would be a real solution to our second line centre problem.hambownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07105598249429771683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9215652504344172254.post-8556135806912812392009-02-23T16:24:00.000-05:002009-02-23T16:24:00.000-05:00hambown,Just to clarify, anon @ 5:18pm and anon @ ...hambown,<BR/>Just to clarify, anon @ 5:18pm and anon @ 12:53pm are not the same person.<BR/><BR/>I am anon @ 12:53pm. I take your point, but I disagree with you. If the Sens had a legitimate shot at the playoffs, I'd like the deal.<BR/><BR/>I'm against the deal because I think we're done. I still want us to play hard. I still want an entertaining up tempo game. I hope they win as many games as they can. But, I do not want them trading away picks for players who are not "difference makers". <BR/><BR/>To me, Campoli is a 5 or 6 d-man. I think that a player like him is easy to acquire on the UFA market for free. The low cap hit for next year is good. But, I'd still rather have the #1 pick.<BR/><BR/>As far as Melnyk not being worried about losing a million, you don't know that, and neither do I. But, based on his comments about buying out contracts, he said that he does not want to go down that road because that is real dollars going out the door. That's what led me to think that he might not like the deal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9215652504344172254.post-60849918460094694472009-02-23T15:48:00.000-05:002009-02-23T15:48:00.000-05:00Hambown - you are crazy. Thanks Dr. Anonymous, yo...<I>Hambown - you are crazy.</I> <BR/><BR/>Thanks Dr. Anonymous, your analysis is ever so helpful.<BR/><BR/><I>This move was a deperate disaster by a man who should have lost his job long ago. Murray should have been fired before he had an opportunity to do any more damage.</I><BR/><BR/>Ah, nice. Two unsupported conclusions. You must feel so confident about your argument that you don't even need to support it, I guess. Look, I don't know if Campoli will work out for Ottawa. But he has the skills our defense lacks, is under contract for a very reasonable rate, and is young & improving. As I've said before, the draft pick is a low percentage gamble even to recover Chris Campoli in 4 years, even less likely to be better. How is that a desperate disaster? <BR/><BR/><I>The Sens are looking like they will be in place to draft somewhere between 4th to 8th. Had they kept San Jose's 1st pick, I think that they would have had some flexibility and possibly the option of moving up.</I><BR/><BR/>They still have that option. They could make a deal like the Leafs did last year. Or when they move Kuba and Neil for picks, they could use those to move up. Believe me, I agree with you that trying to trade up is a good strategy this year, as the top 5 picks are likely to be true quality players. But this move provides affordable skills the Sens need now and next year. And depending on what happens with Kuba/Neil/?, it also doesn't hurt them come draft day.<BR/><BR/>Finally, Melnyk is a billionaire. I don't think he's too worried about paying out $1M more in salaries this year if it will improve the team next year and the years beyond. With fluctuations in the stock market, he probably makes & loses millions every day.hambownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07105598249429771683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9215652504344172254.post-81450914598754973432009-02-22T12:53:00.000-05:002009-02-22T12:53:00.000-05:00Mickey, Last year's draft was also very strong. Th...Mickey, Last year's draft was also very strong. The Leafs "traded up" from 7th to 5th to draft Schenn. They traded their 7th pick along with 2nd rounder and a 3rd rounder to move up two places.<BR/><BR/>The Sens are looking like they will be in place to draft somewhere between 4th to 8th. Had they kept San Jose's 1st pick, I think that they would have had some flexibility and possibly the option of moving up.<BR/><BR/>I wonder what Melnyk thinks about this deal. This deal is going to cost him about $1M in additional salary this year. Those are real dollars, not cap dollars. He is $1M poorer as a result of the deal. <BR/><BR/>If we make the playoffs, he will get that money back in spades. If not, I don't think he's going to be too happy.<BR/><BR/>He's suppose to be a good business man. So, I'm guessing that he already knows that we are not making the playoffs. I don't know how he can be happy being down $1M, and losing a #1 pick to boot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9215652504344172254.post-36578665091631256422009-02-22T10:24:00.000-05:002009-02-22T10:24:00.000-05:00if you want to see your team play well, more often...if you want to see your team play well, more often than not, then some short term pain is required. Trading away draft picks is not the answer - just ask the Leafs or the Senators from 1997-2007.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9215652504344172254.post-89127870876959891112009-02-21T21:18:00.000-05:002009-02-21T21:18:00.000-05:00I dunno, he said some pretty reasonable things. If...I dunno, he said some pretty reasonable things. If this the top 5 in the draft are as good as people say, do you really think we can just "trade up". Not much of a garauntee there. I think your sadistic hatred of bryan murray is blinding you a little bit here...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9215652504344172254.post-40917933249261693362009-02-21T17:18:00.000-05:002009-02-21T17:18:00.000-05:00Hambown - you are crazy.This move was a deperate d...Hambown - you are crazy.<BR/><BR/>This move was a deperate disaster by a man who should have lost his job long ago. Murray should have been fired before he had an opportunity to do any more damage.<BR/><BR/>Hopefully Melnyk learns his lesson here.<BR/><BR/>Well you certainly can't evaluate a trade after 1 game - Did everyone enjoy the habs game this afternoon?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9215652504344172254.post-34928755681277192982009-02-21T14:31:00.000-05:002009-02-21T14:31:00.000-05:00He should not have traded the #1 pick (San Jose) u...<I>He should not have traded the #1 pick (San Jose) unless it was for a higher pick.</I><BR/><BR/>Trades in the NHL have to benefit both teams, otherwise they don't get done. NHL GMs aren't incompetent (now that Milbury and JFJ have been fired). But seriously, Ottawa will already have a pick in the top 10, maybe top 5 if things don't go well. So along with what they'll get for trading Kuba & Neil, we should be well set up at the draft. Besides, I for one like to see my hockey team play well & win occasionally, even at the expense of *possibly* improving their draft position. Call me crazy.hambownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07105598249429771683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9215652504344172254.post-74859287653177990342009-02-21T14:28:00.000-05:002009-02-21T14:28:00.000-05:00Can you blame Campoli? Must be depressing as hell...Can you blame Campoli? Must be depressing as hell for an ambitious hockey player to dress for the Islanders year after year. I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do in Ottawa under Clouston.hambownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07105598249429771683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9215652504344172254.post-56056856579586114412009-02-21T09:18:00.000-05:002009-02-21T09:18:00.000-05:006:51PMRest easy for the moment this is just "the o...6:51PM<BR/><BR/>Rest easy for the moment this is just "the openers!"<BR/><BR/>Both these guys will help, short and long term.<BR/><BR/>The man of the Year/the play of the season is the Murrays(pl) dealing of Neil and Kuba. I want tangible/bragable returns. Let's show Toronto and yes even the scheming Habs that we know how to build a team, as shown, now how to rebuild it even better.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9215652504344172254.post-58859061045250113722009-02-20T23:27:00.000-05:002009-02-20T23:27:00.000-05:00Really good move. Really good.Really good move. Really good.Blood Red Armyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16358680050656136787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9215652504344172254.post-46776460765454807262009-02-20T19:19:00.000-05:002009-02-20T19:19:00.000-05:00The good thing about this trade is that campoli's ...The good thing about this trade is that campoli's salary is only a little more than 500,000 next year. This puts them in pretty good shape next year. If they can sign comrie to a smaller contract-and you get the feeling that's what murray wants to do, then they are in a good position to reload this team by signing a big name like Bouwmeester.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9215652504344172254.post-50567736546671476042009-02-20T18:58:00.000-05:002009-02-20T18:58:00.000-05:00I wouldn't worry too much about campoli, offensive...I wouldn't worry too much about campoli, offensive defencemen seem to overachieve in ottawa (atleast in terms of production). Just look at mezaros, kuba and redden. Whether the sens are trying to go into rebuild mode, reload for next year or "gasp" make the playoffs there isnt much not to like about this trade. They obviously need a more dominant defenceman than campoli to be a serious contender next year, but its a good start. Mccammond was a great player for us, shame he couldnt finish his career here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9215652504344172254.post-83335023325854478012009-02-20T18:51:00.000-05:002009-02-20T18:51:00.000-05:00Really dumb trade.He should not have traded the #1...Really dumb trade.<BR/><BR/>He should not have traded the #1 pick (San Jose) unless it was for a higher pick.<BR/><BR/>I like Comrie. But, we could sign him as UFA at the end of the year. Our year is done. It makes little sense to add Comrie and his salary.<BR/><BR/>Campoli is a 5 or 6 d-man. Now he's part of the Bell, Picard, Schubert rotation. We have enough of this type of player.<BR/><BR/>Clearly, this move suggests that Murray is going to try and make the playoffs. My bet is that if he felt secure in his job, he would not part with the #1 pick.<BR/><BR/>Add another item to the long list of reasons to fire him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com